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Mix Recipes: Saxophone EQ and Delay Written by bvesco on December 15, 2007
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The saxophone is a classic and great sounding instrument that can heat up any rock or jazz arrangement. However, sending your sax through a
DJ Mix
microphone and leaving the track untouched in a mix can really kill the mood and effectiveness. Throw on a little slapback delay and a bit of eq and that sax will jump right out of your speakers and into your room. Home studio engineers need not fear. The tools for sending your sax
Recent Comments
over the top are simple and included in nearly every DAW. These tips will
What is Compression and How Do I
help you get great sounding sax tracks in your home studio!
Use It? – Mixing.GQ on Mixing A Reflection On The Trimester… | Tim
The saxophone big four: space, heat, body, quack
Knox – Audio Engineer & Producer on
Many of the best recorded sax lines evoke the image of sitting in a
Mixing
smoky club, groovin to the music. This is the feeling we are going to
bvesco on Connect your home studio
reproduce on our home recording.
using a small mixer Gidz on Connect your home studio
Space is the sound of the sax bouncing around in our imaginary venue.
using a small mixer
Giving your listener the sense of being in the room with your musicians
bvesco on POD Patches: Lincoln
is the best way to draw them into the music. A conventional delay
Brewster guitar sounds
configuration is more like an echo with several diminishing repeats. This is not the effect we’re going for. In a small, smoky jazz club you are going to hear the immediate sound of the sax followed quickly by the sound bouncing off the back wall of the venue. This type of delay is commonly referred to as a slapback. To get a good slapback delay set your delay time in the 70140ms range with no . Our ears start to hear distinctly different attack on a note somewhere around the 60 75ms range. If you take your delay down below this range you will start to hear it as more of a thickener instead of our desired slapback effect. If you get too far above the 130160ms range your sax will sound a bit unnatural, or at least certainly not the effect we are going for here. Turning the to minimum will cause the delay effect to produce only a single repeat. This will put the slap in slapback. Keep the mix or wet control of your delay fairly subtle. 1530% wetness can really work wonders on your sax. Heat gives your sax a sense of excitement. Great horns (and even most mediocre) ones will have a lot of natural heat to their sound. In these cases you may not need to do any warming up on the track. But if you lost something in translation, mic positioning, or just didn’t have a very high quality sax, doing a little warming up of the track can work wonders. Sometimes the sax can have a hard time finding space in the mix around guitars or other horns. The easiest way to fix this is by adding a bit of heat around the 2kHz area. A boost of 34dB should give you plenty of heat on an already great sounding track. You may have to get a bit more agressive with a larger boost if you track is poorly recorded or the horn was not that great sounding in the first place. Body is the thick part of your sax sound. I do not often need to EQ the body of a sax track. The saxophone’s body is probably the easiest part to capture on a recording. Also when you are mixing, the body will be the most identifiable part of the sax sound. Your brain will tend to judge all other elements of the sax in relation to body. For those occasions when
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your sax track is a bit thin, you can use a 12dB boost somewhere in the 700900Hz range to thicken it up a bit. Quack is a nice quality of the sound of the sax but only if it is kept in check. Fortunately, the natural sound of a great sax will have only a very subtle quack. Unfortunately, the process of capturing the sax in the studio can accentuate the quack and get your horn sounding more like Donald Duck than Charlie Parker. Fortunately, it is relatively easy to find the quack and nail it with some eq. Unfortunately, the quack usually lives very close to our precious heat and can negatively affect that quality when we tame it. If you need to remove quack you can cut 12dB around 1.01.6kHz. If you want to add some quack you can increase your search area and give a gentle boost of 13dB somewhere in the 900Hz 2.0kHz range. The search range for adding quack extends a little lower and a little higher than removing it. This is because we want to protect the body and heat of our sax sound so they don’t get removed with the quack. While adding quack it can be helpful to add more of the quack that overlaps the body or the heat to keep it from getting too honky.
Saxophone big four quick chart More space: 120ms delay, 0% , 20% wet More heat: +4dB at 2kHz More body: +1dB at 700Hz Less quack: 2dB at 1.5kHz More quack: +1dB at 900Hz
Saxophone mix recipes Start here for a warm, ambient sax sound Delay: 135ms, 0% , 30% wet EQ Band 1: +2dB at 800Hz EQ Band 2: +1dB at 2.5kHz Start here for a hot, immediate sax sound Delay: 90ms, 0% , 15% wet EQ Band 1: 2dB at 1.2kHz EQ Band 2: +4dB at 2.7kHz Start here to help an already great sounding sax cut through a mix Delay: 115ms, 0% , 20% wet EQ Band 1: +3dB at 2.5kHz
Saxophone reverb I’m not generally a big fan of reverb on a sax track. I much prefer the sound of our slapback delay. An added reverb will often muddy up the sound and make it much harder to get the sax to cut through in the mix. If you do want a reverb on your sax track then try starting with the same type of reverb you might use on a vocal line. This can work well but I would set the wet mix to about half where you want it on a vocal. Reverbs sound great on a lot of things but they often serve to draw an instrument in to the mix while a slapback will help push it out of the mix and into the listener’s room.
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13 Responses to “Mix Recipes: Saxophone EQ and Delay” Read below or add a comment...
Eugene X says: December 25, 2007 at 4:11 am
thanks for great articles! waiting for bass EQ and mixing, then bass + drums mixing
Nelson Gonzalez says: January 3, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Hi! Happy New Year! I´d like to know about sax preamps. And about the best and cheaper ones. Thanks for giving!
Nelson Gonzalez says: January 3, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Hi! Great information about Eq and Delay! Can I use the same for playing live? Please, excuse my english. It´s not my first language!
bvesco says: January 4, 2008 at 9:23 am
You can absolutely use the same setup for playing live. The main thing to keep in mind is you will already get a slapback in the club you are playing in. Be sure to listen critically to make sure your artificial slapback is not competing with the natural slapback. This can result in a muddy sound. I’m not big on recommending particular preamps. Just use something decent. I think a great sax player will sound just as great through a Mackie preamp as they will through an API.
Nelson Gonzalez says: January 16, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Thanks a lot! From Venezuela with love!!!!
Mishmir says: June 7, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Thanks a lot !
Larry Williams says: June 25, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Please help me select a rig so I can control my sax sound quality. I play mostly as the only horn. What would you recommend for rack mounted sound: 1. EQ 2. Reverb/Delay 3. Compressor I would like to have something that I can preset depending on the horn I use (soprano, alto, tenor or baritone sax) as well as the song (funk, ballad, smooth jazz, straight ahead) The equipment should be rack mountable. Please help…
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Panther says: April 15, 2010 at 11:28 am
Your blog keeps getting better and better! Your older articles are not as good as newer ones you have a lot more creativity and originality now. Keep it up! And according to this article, I totally agree with your opinion, but only this time! :)
Ariyo Joshua says: July 14, 2010 at 12:37 am
Hi there, Like your style! Though i still av to try it but, lots of my pep like it. Good job
online mastering says: June 5, 2011 at 11:17 am
I have always found a saxophone quite a chellenging instrument to record, you need to capture the entire sound of the instrument and that is easy to get wrong. good pointers for better sounding sax !
glenn zottola says: February 29, 2012 at 8:53 am
Ben : great article and i am experimenting with your suggestions and sent them to my mastering guy. I have recorded 40 albums as a jazz player for labels never paying much attention and leaving everything up to the engineer. Now i am recording at home for the first time and finished 2 albums and i am in the middle of a third for a label. Having played in every venue from Carnegie Hall to Television i know what the naturel sound of my horn is. Getting that at home with limited equipment is a challenge i see. Check my website and you willm see what i am talking about. thanks, Glenn
richard trotterRichard W. Trotter says: March 23, 2012 at 1:51 pm
@glenn use multiple mikes. Mike the bell and body and a 3rd about 6 feet away. i have my hole in the garage padded in one corner with studio foam for minimum reflections. The difference in the recorded sound now is phenominal and i am using cheap mikes. Before the sound was muddy.
Luo McVung says: November 21, 2012 at 10:56 am
This is interesting. My saxophone has twice been slapped back on the back slap once. For this, I needed soup. Thanks for the reverberance!!! Avoid the Shure SM57 and SM58’s – they have built in ech°O0o on the inside.
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You are here: Home » delay » Mix Recipes: Saxophone EQ and Delay
Mix Recipes: Saxophone EQ and Delay Written by bvesco on December 15, 2007
Ads by Google
Recording Studio
The saxophone is a classic and great sounding instrument that can heat up any rock or jazz arrangement. However, sending your sax through a
DJ Mix
microphone and leaving the track untouched in a mix can really kill the mood and effectiveness. Throw on a little slapback delay and a bit of eq and that sax will jump right out of your speakers and into your room. Home studio engineers need not fear. The tools for sending your sax
Recent Comments
over the top are simple and included in nearly every DAW. These tips will
What is Compression and How Do I
help you get great sounding sax tracks in your home studio!
Use It? – Mixing.GQ on Mixing A Reflection On The Trimester… | Tim
The saxophone big four: space, heat, body, quack
Knox – Audio Engineer & Producer on
Many of the best recorded sax lines evoke the image of sitting in a
Mixing
smoky club, groovin to the music. This is the feeling we are going to
bvesco on Connect your home studio
reproduce on our home recording.
using a small mixer Gidz on Connect your home studio
Space is the sound of the sax bouncing around in our imaginary venue.
using a small mixer
Giving your listener the sense of being in the room with your musicians
bvesco on POD Patches: Lincoln
is the best way to draw them into the music. A conventional delay
Brewster guitar sounds
configuration is more like an echo with several diminishing repeats. This is not the effect we’re going for. In a small, smoky jazz club you are going to hear the immediate sound of the sax followed quickly by the sound bouncing off the back wall of the venue. This type of delay is commonly referred to as a slapback. To get a good slapback delay set your delay time in the 70140ms range with no . Our ears start to hear distinctly different attack on a note somewhere around the 60 75ms range. If you take your delay down below this range you will start to hear it as more of a thickener instead of our desired slapback effect. If you get too far above the 130160ms range your sax will sound a bit unnatural, or at least certainly not the effect we are going for here. Turning the to minimum will cause the delay effect to produce only a single repeat. This will put the slap in slapback. Keep the mix or wet control of your delay fairly subtle. 1530% wetness can really work wonders on your sax. Heat gives your sax a sense of excitement. Great horns (and even most mediocre) ones will have a lot of natural heat to their sound. In these cases you may not need to do any warming up on the track. But if you lost something in translation, mic positioning, or just didn’t have a very high quality sax, doing a little warming up of the track can work wonders. Sometimes the sax can have a hard time finding space in the mix around guitars or other horns. The easiest way to fix this is by adding a bit of heat around the 2kHz area. A boost of 34dB should give you plenty of heat on an already great sounding track. You may have to get a bit more agressive with a larger boost if you track is poorly recorded or the horn was not that great sounding in the first place. Body is the thick part of your sax sound. I do not often need to EQ the body of a sax track. The saxophone’s body is probably the easiest part to capture on a recording. Also when you are mixing, the body will be the most identifiable part of the sax sound. Your brain will tend to judge all other elements of the sax in relation to body. For those occasions when
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your sax track is a bit thin, you can use a 12dB boost somewhere in the 700900Hz range to thicken it up a bit. Quack is a nice quality of the sound of the sax but only if it is kept in check. Fortunately, the natural sound of a great sax will have only a very subtle quack. Unfortunately, the process of capturing the sax in the studio can accentuate the quack and get your horn sounding more like Donald Duck than Charlie Parker. Fortunately, it is relatively easy to find the quack and nail it with some eq. Unfortunately, the quack usually lives very close to our precious heat and can negatively affect that quality when we tame it. If you need to remove quack you can cut 12dB around 1.01.6kHz. If you want to add some quack you can increase your search area and give a gentle boost of 13dB somewhere in the 900Hz 2.0kHz range. The search range for adding quack extends a little lower and a little higher than removing it. This is because we want to protect the body and heat of our sax sound so they don’t get removed with the quack. While adding quack it can be helpful to add more of the quack that overlaps the body or the heat to keep it from getting too honky.
Saxophone big four quick chart More space: 120ms delay, 0% , 20% wet More heat: +4dB at 2kHz More body: +1dB at 700Hz Less quack: 2dB at 1.5kHz More quack: +1dB at 900Hz
Saxophone mix recipes Start here for a warm, ambient sax sound Delay: 135ms, 0% , 30% wet EQ Band 1: +2dB at 800Hz EQ Band 2: +1dB at 2.5kHz Start here for a hot, immediate sax sound Delay: 90ms, 0% , 15% wet EQ Band 1: 2dB at 1.2kHz EQ Band 2: +4dB at 2.7kHz Start here to help an already great sounding sax cut through a mix Delay: 115ms, 0% , 20% wet EQ Band 1: +3dB at 2.5kHz
Saxophone reverb I’m not generally a big fan of reverb on a sax track. I much prefer the sound of our slapback delay. An added reverb will often muddy up the sound and make it much harder to get the sax to cut through in the mix. If you do want a reverb on your sax track then try starting with the same type of reverb you might use on a vocal line. This can work well but I would set the wet mix to about half where you want it on a vocal. Reverbs sound great on a lot of things but they often serve to draw an instrument in to the mix while a slapback will help push it out of the mix and into the listener’s room.
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13 Responses to “Mix Recipes: Saxophone EQ and Delay” Read below or add a comment...
Eugene X says: December 25, 2007 at 4:11 am
thanks for great articles! waiting for bass EQ and mixing, then bass + drums mixing
Nelson Gonzalez says: January 3, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Hi! Happy New Year! I´d like to know about sax preamps. And about the best and cheaper ones. Thanks for giving!
Nelson Gonzalez says: January 3, 2008 at 8:02 pm
Hi! Great information about Eq and Delay! Can I use the same for playing live? Please, excuse my english. It´s not my first language!
bvesco says: January 4, 2008 at 9:23 am
You can absolutely use the same setup for playing live. The main thing to keep in mind is you will already get a slapback in the club you are playing in. Be sure to listen critically to make sure your artificial slapback is not competing with the natural slapback. This can result in a muddy sound. I’m not big on recommending particular preamps. Just use something decent. I think a great sax player will sound just as great through a Mackie preamp as they will through an API.
Nelson Gonzalez says: January 16, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Thanks a lot! From Venezuela with love!!!!
Mishmir says: June 7, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Thanks a lot !
Larry Williams says: June 25, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Please help me select a rig so I can control my sax sound quality. I play mostly as the only horn. What would you recommend for rack mounted sound: 1. EQ 2. Reverb/Delay 3. Compressor I would like to have something that I can preset depending on the horn I use (soprano, alto, tenor or baritone sax) as well as the song (funk, ballad, smooth jazz, straight ahead) The equipment should be rack mountable. Please help…
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Panther says: April 15, 2010 at 11:28 am
Your blog keeps getting better and better! Your older articles are not as good as newer ones you have a lot more creativity and originality now. Keep it up! And according to this article, I totally agree with your opinion, but only this time! :)
Ariyo Joshua says: July 14, 2010 at 12:37 am
Hi there, Like your style! Though i still av to try it but, lots of my pep like it. Good job
online mastering says: June 5, 2011 at 11:17 am
I have always found a saxophone quite a chellenging instrument to record, you need to capture the entire sound of the instrument and that is easy to get wrong. good pointers for better sounding sax !
glenn zottola says: February 29, 2012 at 8:53 am
Ben : great article and i am experimenting with your suggestions and sent them to my mastering guy. I have recorded 40 albums as a jazz player for labels never paying much attention and leaving everything up to the engineer. Now i am recording at home for the first time and finished 2 albums and i am in the middle of a third for a label. Having played in every venue from Carnegie Hall to Television i know what the naturel sound of my horn is. Getting that at home with limited equipment is a challenge i see. Check my website and you willm see what i am talking about. thanks, Glenn
richard trotterRichard W. Trotter says: March 23, 2012 at 1:51 pm
@glenn use multiple mikes. Mike the bell and body and a 3rd about 6 feet away. i have my hole in the garage padded in one corner with studio foam for minimum reflections. The difference in the recorded sound now is phenominal and i am using cheap mikes. Before the sound was muddy.
Luo McVung says: November 21, 2012 at 10:56 am
This is interesting. My saxophone has twice been slapped back on the back slap once. For this, I needed soup. Thanks for the reverberance!!! Avoid the Shure SM57 and SM58’s – they have built in ech°O0o on the inside.
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